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1867 5C Five Cents, Judd-562, Pollock-623, Low R.7


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1874 20C Twenty Cents, Judd-1354, Pollock-1498, Low R.7 pattern never realized

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Flying Eagle Cent Patterns  (Δοκίμια)

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1854 P1C Flying Eagle Cent Judd-164 Original, Pollock-189, R.5

The hook-necked flying eagle design surrounded by stars and the date below. The reverse closely resembles the regular dies issue for the large cent, although the wreath and letters are smaller, as is the diameter. Struck in bronze with a plain edge.

PR66 BN $13,800.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com)
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1855 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-168 Original, Pollock-193, R.4

Thirteen stars surround an eagle that is flying slightly upward, similar to the Christian Gobrecht/Titian Peale flying eagle design for the Gobrecht dollars (and soon the Flying Eagle cents). The reverse design is similar to the issued large cent. The diameter is intermediate between the large cents struck for commerce in 1855 and the small cents that were first produced in 1856. Struck in bronze with a plain edge.

PR65 Red/BN $10,062.50 (Jul 31, 2008 HA.com)
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1855 1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-170a, R.8 Copper-Nickel

Thirteen stars surround an eagle that is flying slightly upwards, similar to the Christian Gobrecht/Titian Peale flying eagle design for the Gobrecht dollars but with a longer, curved neck to the eagle. The date 1855 is below with slanted 5s, and the reverse is similar to the large cent. The planchet is slightly smaller than the large cent, but larger than the famous 1856 Flying Eagle cent. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge. Per the holder, weight 99.15 grains, composition 91% copper, 8.8% nickel (with rounding error/trace content of 0.2%).

PR62 $3,737.50 (Jul 31, 2009 HA.com)
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1855 E1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-171, Pollock-196, Low R.7

An eagle flying left dominates the obverse, 13 stars are arranged around the periphery, the date 1855 is below. On the reverse, the denomination ONE CENT is centered within a laurel wreath, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA is at the border. Struck in nickel composition (40% nickel, 60% copper) or German silver (75% copper, 12% nickel, 13% zinc) with a plain edge.

AU55 $5,002.01 (Apr 26, 2006 HA.com) - MS62 $12,650.00 (Jul 9, 2009 HA.com)
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(1856) P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-179, Pollock-207, Low R.7

The design is the regular Flying Eagle cent motif on the obverse and the Agricultural Wreath reverse from 1857-58, but there is no date or other legends, save for the denomination ONE CENT in the center reverse. Struck in copper with a plain edge.

Pollock notes that the obverse eagle is a "direct copy of the eagle featured on the Gobrecht dollars dated 1836 to 1839." This pattern could just as easily be called a "Gobrecht cent," crediting the obverse's original designer, Christian Gobrecht, rather than merely describing the design. Examples were struck in both copper and copper-nickel, with the latter somewhat rarer--but both are rare. The dated Judd-180 is the R.1 1856 Flying Eagle cent pattern, a high-mintage production (for a pattern, at least) that is collected alongside the regular-issue series. USPatterns.com reports more than a dozen are known of this copper undated variety.

PR65 Red and Brown $32,200.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1856 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-182, Pollock-211, 213, 216, Low R.7

This piece features the same Flying Eagle/agricultural wreath design as Judd-180, which is the familiar 1856 Flying Eagle pattern that was struck in significant quantities and circulated. While that piece was struck in copper-nickel, this one is struck in bronze and also has a plain edge. This rare specimen shares the same die marriage as Snow-5. A small die gouge located at the bottom of the U in UNITED identifies this obverse die, and the reverse shows a strong center dot below the top left serif of the N in CENT. Originally believed to have been a restrike for collectors sometime in 1858, that has since been proven wrong, and Snow (2001) writes that this variety is now considered to have been one of the first Flying Eagle cents struck. In the ninth edition of United States Pattern Coins, the population is listed at just seven pieces, and there are no auction records given. In nearly 15 years of record keeping, Heritage has never before auctioned this rare pattern.

PR64 Brown $54,625.00 (Jul 31, 2008 HA.com)

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1857 DT1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-187A, Pollock-224, R.8

High Leaves reverse, Closed E in ONE. Struck in nickel or German silver with a plain edge from regular dies; the tenth edition of Judd favors favors the former, noting for both Judd-187 and Judd-187A that "Two or three examples of each metal are believed to exist." While multiples of the Judd-187, which was struck in copper, are known, the Pollock reference lists only one distinct example of the Judd-187A, which is in fact the present piece, and the only specimen certified by NGC or PCGS. It is conceivable that Judd-187A is unique, since our records turn up no additional auction appearances.
While the pattern Flying Eagle cents of 1856 are the most famous patterns bearing the design, they are far from the only ones, as the Judd-187A demonstrates, though Judd cautions that "All patterns dated from 1857 range from rare to unobtainable," and the Judd-187A occupies the latter end of the scale.

PR64 $48,875.00 (Jul 31, 2009 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-191, Pollock-233-234, R.5

Five Leaf Clusters Variant, with five leaf clusters in the wreath. The obverse is from a regular Flying Eagle Small Letters die, while the reverse displays the wreath introduced on the 1859 Indian cent. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR65 $6,325.00 (Jul 31, 2008 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-192, Pollock-235, R.5

A Flying Eagle pattern with the adopted design on the obverse. The reverse exhibits an oak wreath enclosing the denomination ONE CENT. An olive sprig and a group of three arrows are bound at the base of the wreath. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR65 $6,325.00 (Jul 31, 2008 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-193, Pollock-236, R.5

The obverse is identical to the regular issue 1858 Small Letters cent. The reverse, while similar to that adopted for the Indian cent in 1860, displays a broad, ornamented shield at the top. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR65 $8,050.00 (May 29, 2008 HA.com) PR66 $6,037.50 (Jan 7, 2009 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-199, Pollock-230, High R.7

This extremely rare pattern features the standard Flying Eagle, Large Letters obverse design, combined with a reverse that showcases a large ornamental shield and oak wreath. Struck on a broad copper-nickel planchet, with a plain edge. USPatterns.com estimates fewer than half a dozen examples of Judd-199 are extant.


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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-202, Pollock-245-246, R.5

The hook-necked eagle obverse, generally attributed to Longacre, is paired with several reverses during the year, here with ONE CENT in a simple laurel wreath. This variety shows five leaf clusters in the reverse wreath, identifying it as Pollock-245, while the rarer six-leaf clusters mark the Pollock-246 variant. The small eagle obverse with open claws and raised wings. The tall, thin obverse letters represent Paquet's style. The reverse is similar to the regular issue 1859 Indian cent. Struck in copper nickel with a plain edge.

PR65 $4,025.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-204, Pollock-248, R.5

Paquet's small flying eagle motif is paired with an ornamental shield and oak wreath reverse. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR64 $4,312.50 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)


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Αποστολή από: sekadakis στις Ιανουάριος 07, 2016, 04:48:39 μμ
Σίμο θα σου βάλω δύσκολα.

Θέλω να μου βρείς το δοκίμιο της πρώτης δεκάρας του Σκρούτζ ή άντε αντίστοιχη δεκάρα proof.

Δεν σου κάνω πλάκα αν ψάξεις θα βρεις την χρονολογία, την ήξερα παλιότερα αλλά την ξέχασα.
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Indian Head Cent Patterns


1858 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-208, Pollock-259, R.1

The design of the issued 1859 cent, but dated 1858. The die variety with five leaf clusters in the wreath and a centered date, and struck in copper-nickel.

PR66 Cameo $4,887.50 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)


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1858 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-210, Pollock-260, R.8

The design closely resembles the 1859 Indian cent struck for circulation. The obverse has a broad bust point, and the reverse has five-leaf clusters within the wreath, both unlike the issued 1859 cent. Struck in bronze with a plain edge. Listed as Unique in bronze alloy in the ninth edition of Judd.

PR64 $13,800.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1858 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-212, Pollock-263, R.4

The obverse is similar to the issued 1859 Indian cent. The reverse is much like the issued 1860 cent, but the shield is broad and ornamented. The Broad Bust Pollock variety, usual for Judd-212. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR64 $1,495.00  (Feb 5, 2009 HA.com)


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1858 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-213, Pollock-257, R.7

A transitional issue, the obverse is similar to the Indian cent issued in 1859, with the broad bust tip rather than narrow. The reverse is identical to the issued 1858 Low Leaves Flying Eagle cent with high leaves. Struck in copper-nickel.

PR61 $1,495.00 (Jul 9, 2009 HA.com)

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1859 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-227, Pollock-271, Low R.6

The designs are reminiscent of the issued 1860 Indian cent, but the reverse shield is broad and ornamented. Struck in copper-nickel with a reeded edge, and many times rarer than the strictly transitional Judd-228.

MS64 $2,300.00 (Mar 6, 2008 HA.com)



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1859 P1C Indian Cent, Judd-228, Pollock-272, R.1

Dated 1859 but with the reverse of 1860-1909. Struck in copper-nickel. These exist in business strike and proof formats and are often incorporated with regular Indian cent collections.

PR64 $4,830.00 (May 7, 2004 HA.com) - MS65 $2,300.00 (Aug 1, 2008 HA.com)
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1863 1C One Cent, Judd-299, Pollock-359, R.3

Both obverse and reverse dies were the designs used on regular-issue coinage in 1863. Struck in bronze, with a medal turn, and a plain edge. This issue was the Mint's first experiment with the bronze alloy used in cent coinage after 1864.

PR66 Brown $2,300.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1863 1C One Cent, Judd-302, Pollock-365, High R.7

The obverse features the adopted design for 1864 (but dated 1863), with the pointed bust truncation and Longacre's "L" initial on the ribbon. The reverse displays the standard oak wreath and shield motif used for regular-issue coinage in 1863. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge. According to Rick Snow, this reverse die was first used on regular coinage in 1871, indicating it was a latter-day restrike made for collectors in the 1870s.

PR66 $29,900.00 (Jul 30, 2009 HA.com)
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1863 1C One Cent, Judd-304, Pollock-367, R.8

An elusive Indian Head Cent die trials piece struck in aluminum that is reportedly one of perhaps only two specimens known. These are the famous issues with Longacre's initial 'L' on the ribbon. They are actually restrikes using a reverse die from 1871, per Richard Snow. It is possible that these restrikes are related to the 1864 trime, half dime, and dime restrikes which were offered with the quarter, half dollar, and dollar which were struck with the IN GOD WE TRUST reverse.

PR63 $16,100.00 (Jul 27, 2003 HA.com)
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1864 1C One Cent, Judd-353, Pollock-425, Low R.6

38.73 grains. The regular issue designs for the 1864 Indian cent without L. Struck in an alloy of copper and aluminum with a plain edge. This piece obviously had metallurgical testing done as the insert states: 92% Cu 7.6% Al. While this alloy is off from the accepted 13 to 1 ratio (93% to 7%) for Judd-353 pieces, it is closer than any other ratio known for this design type and composition.

PR67 $19,550.00 (Jul 30, 2009 HA.com)
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1864 1C One Cent, Judd-356b, Pollock-426a, R.8

From regular issue plain edge 1864 No L Indian cent dies, but struck in copper-nickel instead of the expected bronze.

MS65 $3,737.50 (Apr 30, 2009 HA.com)
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1864-1858 1C Indian-Flying Eagle Cent, Judd-362, Pollock-428, R.8

"A two-headed cent. The obverse is struck from the Indian Head cent die of 1864, with no L on ribbon, while the "other obverse" is made from the regular-issue 1858 Small Letters Flying Eagle cent die. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

As a reminder, the Small Letters die is easily distinguishable by the separated AM in AMERICA--on the Flying Eagle cent side. This dual-dated coin is strictly a flight of fancy, bearing as it does two heads but no tails. It accordingly also lacks a denomination of any kind.

This piece has no doubt been viewed as "something special" ever since the first recorded example came to numismatic light, in an October 1868 Mason and Company sale, according to USPatterns.com." HA.com


PR65 $74,750.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1865 1C One Cent, Judd-406, Pollock-476, Low R.6

Snow-PT1c, from Plain 5 Snow-1 dies. Struck from regular issue dies with a plain edge, but in an alloy of 76% copper and 24% nickel, virtually the same alloy as the Shield nickel introduced that year. NGC lists the weight as 48.6 grains. The date is repunched.

PR65 $3,737.50 (Aug 9, 2007 HA.com)
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1865 1C One Cent, Judd-405, Pollock-474, High R.7

Both obverse and reverse dies are the familiar Indian Head designs adopted for regular coinage in 1865. Struck in coin die alignment on a copper-nickel planchet with a reeded edge. These unusual reeded edge coins are known on both thick and thin planchets. This is a thin planchet piece. The thick planchet pieces were presumably struck on leftover planchets from 1864 Indian cents.

PR63 $6,325.00 (Apr 30, 2009 HA.com)
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1868 1C One Cent, Judd-612, Pollock-677, Low R.7

Struck from the regular proof dies for the 1868 Indian cent, in aluminum with a plain edge. Judd notes that two pairs of proof dies were used.

One might infer from the use of two pairs of proof dies that a considerable number were struck, but they are nonetheless today rated Low R.7. In addition, aluminum was still quite a precious metal at the time(s) these pieces were produced--regardless of exactly when that was. Improved processes for isolating elemental aluminum from its alloys resulted in increased availability of the metal only in the late 1880s. Per Judd: "One of the reverse dies also used to make restrikes of regular Proof 1864 With L cents (per Richard E. Snow); this die is not known to have been used to strike regular issue 1868 Proof cents, but was widely used from 1869 to 1871 (per Snow). This, plus the use of two die pairs, would seem to indicate that aluminum cents were struck on at least two different occasions."

At least some of these were included in complete 16-piece proof sets from the cent through double eagle. The Garrett Collection had a complete set; the earliest recorded offering of a complete aluminum proof set is in the William Fewsmith sale of 1870, lot 1381, conducted by Mason and Company.

PR65 Jan 6, 2009 ($10,350.00 HA.com)
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1875 1C One Cent, Judd-1384, Pollock-1528, R.8

Snow PT1a. Regular die trials issue of the proof 1875 cent. Struck in aluminum with a plain edge. The obvious explanation for this piece is it was deliberately struck for collectors. The Judd reference tends to support that contention:

"The year 1875 hosts a potpourri of pattern issues, some with true pattern intent (certain of the twenty-cent pieces may be in this category) and others created as numismatic delicacies, the latter including illogical varieties and mulings. No doubt, Mint Director Henry R. Linderman was among the recipients of these delicacies. All of the illogical combinations as well as off-metal strikings from regular Proof dies were made in secrecy, and the existence of most was not known until years later."

The other way to view this piece is the way Rick Snow presents it, as part of a full denomination set. As such, this would be a metallurgical trial. Only one or two aluminum sets were struck and apparently neither set is intact today. Combining the ninth edition of the Judd book with Snow's reference on 1870-1889 Indian cents yields only three references to known sales. A piece was sold by New England Rare Coin Galleries in March 1983, another was auctioned as part of the Loye L. Lauder Collection by Doyle Galleries in December 1983, lot 536, and there is another transaction by Numismatics Ltd. (possibly also in December 1983). The impossibility of finding photographs of these transactions is obvious. They could be the same coin sold three times in a short time span, two coins and one reappearance, or there is a remote possibility there are three separate coins.

PR66 $57,500.00 (Jan 9, 2008 HA.com)
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Liberty Cent Patterns


1881 1C Liberty Head One Cent, Judd-1665, Pollock-1865, High R.6

The Charles Barber Liberty Head obverse, featuring a head facing left, somewhat similar to the adopted Liberty Head nickel design, but UNITED STATES OF AMERICA rings the obverse in somewhat thick, widely spaced letters, and the bust seems a bit more massive. On the reverse a Roman numeral I is flanked by an agricultural wreath, again similar to the 1883 regular-issue nickel design. Struck in nickel with a plain edge.

The focus shifts for 1881 patterns from the large denominations of the past few years to the smaller one, three, and five cent denominations. Some numismatic commentators have alleged that the Barber Liberty Head is a portrait of the Greek goddess Diana--but like so many "coin tales," the factual basis, if any, is shrouded in the mists of time.

PR64 $3,737.50 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1881 1C Liberty Head One Cent, Judd-1666, Pollock-1866, High R.6

Charles Barber's design for a one cent piece with the head later used on the Liberty nickel. The reverse is simply laid out with a Roman numeral I in the center, surrounded by a wreath of wheat and cotton. Struck in copper with a plain edge. Only a dozen or so pieces are known of these copper impressions, and nickel and aluminum (see next lot) variants are also known.

PR66 $3,450.00 (Aug 9, 2007 HA.com)
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1881 1C Liberty Head One Cent, Judd-1667, Pollock-1867, Low R.7

Charles Barber's Liberty Nickel obverse is seen here on a One Cent pattern. This same obverse was also used on Three Cent and Five Cent patterns from this year. The reverse is simply laid out with a Roman numeral I in the center, surrounded by a wreath of wheat and cotton. Struck in aluminum with a plain edge.

PR65 $5,865.00 (Jun 2, 2005 HA.com)

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Shield Cent Patterns


1896 1C One Cent, Judd-1767, Pollock-1982, Low R.7

The obverse has a scroll reading LIBERTY across a shield with thirteen stripes. Behind are two crossed poles, topped by an eagle and a liberty cap. E PLURIBUS UNUM is above, 1896 is below. The reverse displays ONE CENT within a curved olive sprig with UNITED STATES OF AMERICA around. Both sides have beaded borders. Struck in nickel with a plain edge.

PR63 $3,303.00 (Jul 9, 2009 HA.com)
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1896 1C One Cent, Judd-1767a, Pollock-1981, Low R.7

Instead of a depiction of Liberty, the obverse displays a shield in front of crossed poles topped by a liberty cap and eagle. A banner inscribed LIBERTY overlies the shield. The reverse has the denomination in the center, an olive wreath around, and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA at the margin. Struck in pure nickel with a plain edge.

PR64 $11,500.00 (Jan 10, 2008 HA.com)
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1896 1C One Cent, Judd-1768, Pollock-1983, R.5

The Charles Barber design. Shield at center obverse with LIBERTY incused. Crossed poles behind support a Liberty cap and an eagle. E PLURIBUS UNUM is at the top rim, with stars seven left, six right. On the reverse a large 1 occupies the center, with CENT below, an olive spring surrounding and UNITED STATES OF AMERICA at the rim. Struck in bronze with a plain edge.

Several different bronze alloys were struck and are included in this single Judd number, but they cannot be distinguished without metallurgical analysis. One rare positional variety was discovered by Harry W. Bass Jr. (Pollock-1985a); this is not an example, but rather one of the more common Pollock-1983 examples.

PR65 Red and Brown $7,475.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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1896 1C One Cent, Judd-1769, Pollock-1985, High R.6

The obverse displays a shield with thirteen stripes, having the motto E PLURIBUS UNUM above and the date 1896 below. There are thirteen stars at the border arranged seven left and six right, and the border is beaded. On the reverse, the denomination 1 CENT is centered within a curved olive sprig, with the legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA surrounding both. The reverse also has a beaded border. Struck in one of four different compositions of aluminum, with a plain edge.

PR60 $1,265.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com) - PR62 $2,070.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com)
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Centavo Cent Patterns

1942 P1C One Cent Pattern, Judd-2054, Pollock-2074, R.8

An experimental piece that was struck in various metals at the mint and in various plastics by private firms as a possible replacement for copper, tin, and nickel which were needed in World War II. The obverse design was apparently copied from the Columbian two centavo and the reverse from a Washington medalet (Baker-155). Struck in zinc-coated steel with a plain edge.

MS61 $8,625.00 (Jan 25, 2006 HA.com)


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1942 1C One Cent, Judd-2056, R.7

1942 1C One Cent, Judd-2056, R.7, AU58 PCGS. The obverse features a woman's bust right, derived from the Colombian two centavo piece. The reverse displays UNITED/STATES/MINT within a wreath. Struck in white metal with a plain edge. In his 1994 reference on patterns, Andrew W. Pollock, III wrote, "Although the experimental pieces produced in plastic and glass were manufactured by private firms, it is known that at least some, and possibly all, of the metallic pieces were produced within the Mint itself." The experiments culminated in the 1943 steel cents. PCGS has certified just three examples in all grades. This is an evenly struck slate-gray example, granular as made.

AU58 $5,175.00 (Aug 9, 2007 HA.com)
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1942 P1C Brown Plastic One Cent, Judd-2060, Pollock-4035, Low R.7

A privately made pattern struck from special Mint dies. The obverse shows a head of Liberty facing right, LIBERTY left and JUSTICE right, with the date below. The center of the reverse reads UNITED STATES MINT and is surrounded by a wreath. This particular piece is struck from brown plastic and has a plain edge. The brown surfaces have an underlying sparkle, undoubtedly from the plastic composition.

PR65 $8,625.00 (Feb 14, 2008 HA.com)
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1942 1C Cent, Judd-2063, Pollock-4035, Low R.7

Chief Engraver John R. Sinnock is credited with the designs. The obverse resembles the Columbian two-centavo. The reverse has a peripheral wreath enclosing a three line legend. The types are similar in placement to the Lincoln cent. Struck in tan plastic with a plain edge.

PR65 $4,025.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)


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Lincoln Cent Patterns   (Υπό έρευνα ακόμη...)


Experimental Alloy 1942 Cent Judd-2079, Struck in Aluminum, PR66, Sold for $126,500.00 March 2009

Regular die trial issue but struck in aluminum with a plain edge. Struck on a planchet that is almost twice as thick as a regular cent.

Heritage Auctions Commentary, March 2009, "The pattern cents from 1942 are divided into two groups, those of the regular issue design as this piece and those modeled after the Colombian Two Centavo. The regular design patterns are far rarer as a group but limited to only three compositions: aluminum, zinc-coated steel, and white metal. Those modeled after the Two Centavo are far more available as a group and seen in a wide variety of compositions, but some are equally as rare as the regular issue die trials."
The Judd book (10th edition) makes an interesting comment about these pieces: "Regular 1942 Lincoln cent dies are said to have been used to strike coins in pure zinc, copper and zinc, zinc-coated steel, aluminum, copper-weld, antimony, white metal, and lead, among other materials." If this is accurate, then there are many other experimental alloy cents that remain to be discovered, as only three alloys are known today.

An interesting story is related in Andrew Pollock's pattern reference on page 390: "2076. Aluminum. Plain Edge. Rarity-8. Reportedly, an example was received in change by an ice dealer in the Annapolis, Maryland area, presumably in the 1940s." However, it's not known if the piece pictured is that coin.

The coin was placed in our March auction that year, but then pulled in order to be resubmitted. The results from PCGS showed that it was not white metal as originally thought, but aluminum. The weight of the piece is 1.563 gm, about half the normal 3.11 gm. When the coin was resubmitted to PCGS and analyzed, its composition came back: aluminum 98.0%, silicon 0.7%, iron 0.6%, silver 0.5%, magnesium 0.4%. In July of last year Roger Burdette hypothesized:

"The assay: Al 98; Si 0.7; Fe 0.6; Ag 0.5 and Mg 0.4 is very significant. Although most of the piece is aluminum, the other elements are not impurities. Someone was making a deliberate attempt to test a harder, more durable alloy than plain aluminum. Aluminum-silver alloys can be extremely hard [although they are also extremely difficult to produce and usually require an atmosphere free of oxygen] and the quantity of silver necessary is small. The US Mint experimented with them as far back as the early 1860s, and James Ross Snowden conducted other experiments in about 1885. This assay suggests we will eventually identify many other experimental alloys, currently unknown, based on aluminum."

Burdette went on to state that even though the assay totals 100.2%, implying there is a 0.2% rounding error, "the important thing is that silver should not be present [unless the Mint were purposely trying to produce this difficult alloy], even if the cheapest aluminum scrap were used for experiments. (Fe [iron] and Si [silicon] are common impurities.)"
Heritage, March 2009, "This is one of the most fascinating experimental pieces to enter the market in several years. The pattern coinage of 1942-1943 is definitely an under researched area of 20th century U.S. numismatics. This problem will be resolved, but not for several years, when Burdette completes his research on a book he is writing on the subject."
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Liberty Head Cent Pattern Coins



1853 E1C One Cent, Judd-149, Pollock-178, High R.6

A regular issue Liberty quarter eagle obverse die is paired with a simple die that bears a wreath and the widely separated denomination ONE/CENT. An early attempt to replace the cumbersome large cent with a smaller diameter piece in different alloy. Judd-149 has a reeded edge, and is struck in a white metal alloy of 40% nickel, 40% copper, and 20% zinc. Judd-150 and Judd-151 were struck from the same dies, but with different proportions of the same three metals.

PR65 $3,450.00 (Sep 13, 2006 HA.com)
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1853 E1C One Cent, Judd-150 Thick, Pollock-178, Low R.7

1853 E1C One Cent, Judd-150 Thick, Pollock-178, Low R.7, PR65 PCGS. The obverse is the same as the regular issue 1853 quarter eagle. The pattern reverse die bears the denomination ONE CENT within a wreath. The E in CENT is widely but lightly repunched north. Struck with a reeded edge in an alloy of 30% nickel, 60% copper, and 10% tin.

PR65 $4,887.50 (Aug 9, 2007 HA.com)
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1853 P1C One Cent, Judd-151, Pollock-178, Low R.6

The obverse is the same as that used to coin regular-issue 1853 quarter eagles. The reverse shows the denomination ONE CENT within a laurel wreath. Struck in a 40% nickel, 60% copper alloy with a reeded edge.

The Mint wasted little time designing this issue, combining an existing obverse die with a simple, rudimentary reverse. USPatterns.com estimates a population of approximately two dozen survivors.

PR66 $4,312.50 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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Three Cent Obverse Design Cent Patterns


1857 E1C One Cent, Judd-186, Pollock-222, High R.7

A large bust of Liberty faces left, similar to that seen on the issued 1865 three cent nickel. The reverse has ONE CENT in the center and is encircled by a wreath. This variant combines the high date quarter eagle pattern obverse from Judd-189 with the 1853 pattern cent reverse of Judd-149. The denticles are different lengths on each side, which further suggest a muled die combination. Struck in copper-nickel with a plain edge.

PR66 $12,650.00 (Nov 6, 2007 HA.com)

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1868 P1C Cent, Judd-605, Pollock-670, R.5

1868 P1C Cent, Judd-605, Pollock-670, R.5,  Cameo PCGS. Small pattern cent with an obverse similar to the adopted three cent nickel design, and a reverse with a large Roman numeral I in the center surrounded by a wreath. Part of the 8 in the date is buried in Liberty's lowest curl. Struck in nickel with a plain edge. Struck in nickel, copper, and aluminum, with the nickel pieces most frequently encountered.
PR65 $2,300.00 (Aug 9, 2007 HA.com)
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1868 1C One Cent, Judd-606, Pollock-671, Low R.7

The obverse is similar to that of the issued three cent nickel. The reverse bears the wreath of the issued three dollar gold piece. The denomination is expressed on the reverse as a single plain Roman column. Struck in copper with a plain edge.

PR64 $2,070.00 (Oct 22, 2009 HA.com)
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1868 1C Coronet Cent, Judd-608, Pollock-673, R.4

On the obverse, Liberty is wearing a coronet inscribed LIBERTY. Around, the legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA and below, the date. The reverse has a large Roman numeral I enclosed within a wreath of wheat, corn, tobacco, and cotton. Struck in nickel with a plain edge. This is Pollock's high date variety, considered by him to be slightly scarcer than the centered date variety.

PR65 $1,610.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com)
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1869 1C One Cent, Judd-666, Pollock-743, R.5

The obverse exhibits a bust of Liberty facing left with the legend UNITED STATES OF AMERICA around the periphery and the date below the bust. Liberty wears a coronet inscribed LIBERTY. A Roman numeral I is centered in a laurel wreath on the reverse. Struck in nickel with a plain edge.

Pollock records three different varieties of Judd-666 that he identifies as Pollock-741, 742, and 743, based on the date position and the style of ribbons at the bottom of the reverse. Pollock-743 has delicate bow ribbons on the reverse. Each is individually rated R.6 in his reference, while the cumulative rarity for Judd-666 is R.5.

PR64 $1,610.00 (Jan 6, 2009 HA.com)
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Σιμο μου, να χαρεις, μια διακοπουλα;


Δοκιμια Αμερικανικα, σχεδον νομισματα δηλαδη, 2 ειναι, οι δυο τυποι χρυσης Stella ($4), coiled and braided hair, η πλειοψηφια των υπολοιπων δεν ενδιαφερει ουτε πανεπιστημιακους των ΗΠΑ στη νομισματολογια, κι αυτο το κοπυ πεηστ, μου τη δινει εμενα προσωπικα ΑΦΑΝΤΑΣΤΑ, ΟΚ? Αντε κι ο Βουβαλος (5 σεντς) με τα 3 ποδια, απο βρωμικη η ελαττωματικη μητρα, κι αυτα ειναι τα βασικα.

Δεν διαβασες τι ευχηθηκε ο 00-11 για το νεον ετος; Νομιζω οι ευχες του κατενομαζαν εσενα. Αλλα κι ο Ορφεας αν και πιο κοσμιος, σε παρεκαλεσε κι αυτος να ΣΤΑΜΑΤΗΣΕΙΣ, ΚΑΝΕΙΣ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΤΑ ΔΙΑΒΑΣΕΙ, σορρυ αλλα παλι θα μονοπωλησεις 10 σελιδες επειδη εισαι σε φαση ψιλο-μανιας; ΕΦ'ΟΣΟΝ ΔΕΝ ΠΡΟΣΘΕΤΕΙΣ ΤΙΠΟΤΕ ΔΙΚΟ ΣΟΥ, ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΣΧΟΛΙΟ, ΠΑΡΑΤΑ ΤΕ, ΔΩΖΜΑΣ ΤΟ ΛΙΝΚ ΚΙ ΑΣΤΟ ΦΙΛΕ!  :) :)
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Braided Hair Cent Patterns

1854 P1C One Cent, Judd-160, Pollock-187, R.4, PR64

This familiar pattern is mid-sized between the large and small cent, an intermediate step in the transition toward the cent in the diameter as we know it today. Aside from the absence of stars, the types are retained from the Large cent, but are smaller in scale, especially the wreath. Struck in bronze with a plain edge.

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1854 P1C One Cent, Judd-161 Original, Pollock-187, R.4

The design is similar to the large cent then in circulation, but there are no stars on the obverse, and the planchet is smaller--just about 25.4 mm (1 inch), compared with a diameter for the regular large cent of 27.5 mm (1.08 inches). Struck in copper or bronze with a plain edge.
While the measurements above do not seem to be a dramatic difference, it is one that is immediately noticeable. The corresponding weights, of course, differ as well. Originals and restrikes are known. The originals, per Pollock, weigh in the neighborhood of 91 to 100 grains (5.9 to 6.5 gm), while the restrikes weigh around 113-114 grains (7.3-7.4 gm). By way of comparison, a standard 1854 large cent would weigh 10.9 gm when new. PCGS has only certified one piece as a Restrike.

PR66 $2,530.00 (Apr 30, 2009 HA.com)
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1868 1C Braided Hair One Cent, Judd-610, Pollock-675, Low R.7

The obverse is the resurrected design from the Braided Hair large cent in production from 1843 to 1857, with the same reverse design from that coinage. Remnants of misplaced digits can be seen in the border dentils below the date. Struck in nickel with a plain edge.

PR65 $20,700.00 (Jan 2, 2007 HA.com)
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ΕΛΕΟΣ: ΕΙΣΑΙ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΣΤΟ 1854, ΕΧΩ ΤΗΝ ΕΓΚΥΚΛΟΠΑΙΔΕΙΑ ΤΟΥ ΓΚΡΗΝ, ΔΕΡΜΑΤΟΔΕΤΗ, ΣΤΑΜΑΤΑ ΠΙΑ!
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Σιμο μου, να χαρεις, μια διακοπουλα;


Δοκιμια Αμερικανικα, σχεδον νομισματα δηλαδη, 2 ειναι, οι δυο τυποι χρυσης Stella ($4), coiled and braided hair, η πλειοψηφια των υπολοιπων δεν ενδιαφερει ουτε πανεπιστημιακους των ΗΠΑ στη νομισματολογια, κι αυτο το κοπυ πεηστ, μου τη δινει εμενα προσωπικα ΑΦΑΝΤΑΣΤΑ, ΟΚ? Αντε κι ο Βουβαλος (5 σεντς) με τα 3 ποδια, απο βρωμικη η ελαττωματικη μητρα, κι αυτα ειναι τα βασικα.

Δεν διαβασες τι ευχηθηκε ο 00-11 για το νεον ετος; Νομιζω οι ευχες του κατενομαζαν εσενα. Αλλα κι ο Ορφεας αν και πιο κοσμιος, σε παρεκαλεσε κι αυτος να ΣΤΑΜΑΤΗΣΕΙΣ, ΚΑΝΕΙΣ ΔΕΝ ΘΑ ΤΑ ΔΙΑΒΑΣΕΙ, σορρυ αλλα παλι θα μονοπωλησεις 10 σελιδες επειδη εισαι σε φαση ψιλο-μανιας; ΕΦ'ΟΣΟΝ ΔΕΝ ΠΡΟΣΘΕΤΕΙΣ ΤΙΠΟΤΕ ΔΙΚΟ ΣΟΥ, ΚΑΝΕΝΑ ΣΧΟΛΙΟ, ΠΑΡΑΤΑ ΤΕ, ΔΩΖΜΑΣ ΤΟ ΛΙΝΚ ΚΙ ΑΣΤΟ ΦΙΛΕ!  :) :)

Μη με κόβεις στο καλύτερο!!
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Οκ. Λοιπόν όσοι θέλουν να δούν επίσης και τα

Annular - Holey Cent Pattern Coins
Seated Liberty Cent Patterns
Capped Bust Cent Patterns

Μπορούν να το πράξουν στις ακόλουθες σελίδες

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Δεν υπαρχουν καλυτερα! ΣΤΑΜΑΤΑ ΑΥΤΟ ΤΟ copy paste. KAΝΕΝΑΣ ΔΕΝ ΕΝΔΙΑΦΕΡΕΤΑΙ, ΣΤΟ ΛΕΝΕ ΚΑΙ ΠΛΑΓΙΩΣ , ΑΛΛΑ ΑΓΡΟΝ ΗΓΟΡΑΖΕ.... ΠΩΣ ΘΑ ΔΟΥΜΕ ΤΙ ΑΛΛΟ ΕΙΠΩΘΗΚΕ ΡΕ ΜΕΓΑΛΕ ΑΝΤΙΓΡΑΦΕΑ??

Εξαγνισμό έκανα   ;D :D . Όποιος κατάλαβε κατάλαβε...  8)

Υ.Γ Στην σελίδα δεν υπάρχει ένας τρόπος διαβάσματός της αλλά πολλοί για να μη πώ άπειροι.


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Οκ. Λοιπόν όσοι θέλουν να δούν επίσης και τα

Annular - Holey Cent Pattern Coins
Seated Liberty Cent Patterns
Capped Bust Cent Patterns

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Δεν μπορουσες να το κανεις αυτο απ'την αρχη; Η εννοουσες "εξαγνισμο" του φορουμ κι οσων τυχον ειπωθηκαν που τακλεισε ο Γκαρφηλντ το θεμα ουτως η αλλως και καλως επραξε. Διαβασε και το σχολιο του 00-11 για το νεον ετος να δεις τι εγραψε: Ν'ακουμε κιολας που λεει κι ο κυριος Βικεραμ, ΜΕΓΑΛΟ πλεονεκτημα, οχι να λεμε τα δικα μας μονο!
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Οκ. Λοιπόν όσοι θέλουν να δούν επίσης και τα

Annular - Holey Cent Pattern Coins
Seated Liberty Cent Patterns
Capped Bust Cent Patterns

Μπορούν να το πράξουν στις ακόλουθες σελίδες

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http://coinauctionshelp.com/Pattern_Guides/seatedcent.html#.Vo6DIWHGy0w
http://coinauctionshelp.com/Pattern_Guides/cappedbustonecent.html#.Vo6DKmHGy0w


Δεν μπορουσες να το κανεις αυτο απ'την αρχη; Η εννοουσες "εξαγνισμο" του φορουμ κι οσων τυχον ειπωθηκαν που τακλεισε ο Γκαρφηλντ το θεμα ουτως η αλλως και καλως επραξε. Διαβασε και το σχολιο του 00-11 για το νεον ετος να δεις τι εγραψε: Ν'ακουμε κιολας που λεει κι ο κυριος Βικεραμ, ΜΕΓΑΛΟ πλεονεκτημα, οχι να λεμε τα δικα μας μονο!

Γεια σου ρε  Δημήτρη παραπονιάρη! Δε χαλάω χατήρια εγώ ωρε!!
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Μπραβο Σιμο μου. :)

Ξερεις, μην κακοκαρδιζεσαι μ'αυτα τα σχολια. Ολοι στην ακρη της γλωσσας ταχουν, αλλα επειδη το ζητημα ειναι λεπτον, παιρνω εγω το θαρρος και να μπω ορθιος στις γραμμες του TGV Copy Paste by SIMOS , και να δωκουμε το μικροφωνο και σε καποιον αλλον καταλαβες; Εγω  κι εσυ, συνηθισμενοι στα μπινελικι@ , δε μασαμε, ετσι καμουν τα φιλαρακια. Την Κυριακη 10/1 αν ελθεις, που θαναι κι ο Θανασης athas, με η ανευ προυφ διευρα στο κοστος να τ'αγορασω, η το Σαββατο στου Καραμητσου, να τα πουμε κι απο κοντα για το Νεον Ετος εφετος.  :) 8) :D
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Αποστολή από: helios στις Ιανουάριος 07, 2016, 08:44:34 μμ
Digo, θα διαφωνήσω λιγάκι εδω. Το τι ενδιαφέρει η οχι τον κάθε έναν μας και το τί διαβάζει η όχι απο το φόρουμ δεν νομίζω πως λέει κάτι.
Και εμένα δέν με ενδιαφέρει το 99% απο τα γραφόμενα στο φόρουμ αυτο, θέματα που αφορούν τα κέρματα τα οποία με αφήνουν πλήρως αδιάφορο, δεν θα αποθάρρυνα όμως κανέναν ποτέ απο το να δημοσιεύσει οτιδήποτε σχετικά με αυτά. Σε βρίσκω φάουλ εδω. Και πράγματι, αν και εσυ, και εγώ και ο καθένας μας που έχουμε υλικό μπαίναμε στην διαδικασία να γράψουμε 5 θεωρητικά πραγματάκια, ακολουθώντας την ευγενή ιδέα της διάδοσης της γνώσης, το φόρουμ αυτό, το οποίο έχει τον κόσμο και τις σωστές βάσεις, θα ήταν πολύ καλύτερο κατα την γνώμη μου.
Ο Σίμος συχνά κριτικάρεται -και καλώς κριτικάρεται- για τα αυθαίρετα κάποιες φορές συμπεράσματα του, που πολλές φορές δημοσιεύει και τα οποία μπορεί -άθελα του πιστεύω- να γίνουν αφορμή να βγούν λάθος συμπεράσματα απο όσους -νέους κυρίως- τα διαβάζουν.
Το να τον κριτικάρουμε όμως για οτιδήποτε κάνει, ακόμα και για αυτά που δέν κάνει στραβά, δεν νομίζω πως βοηθάει κάπου.
Ας προσπαθήσουμε να είμαστε δίκαιοι στην κρίση μας.
Τίτλος: Απ: Αμερικάνικα Δοκίμια
Αποστολή από: digo στις Ιανουάριος 07, 2016, 09:28:00 μμ
Νικο μου σε καταλαβαινω και θαλεγα οτι εχεις δικιο, εαν ο Σιμος, αντι να αντιγραφει ανοστα κειμενα σ'ενα θεμα που μπορει η που μαλλον απιθανο να μπορει να ενδιαφερει τους αναγνωστες, εδινε απ'την αρχη τα λινκ.

Εφ'οσον ΔΕΝ ΠΡΟΣΦΕΡΕΙ ΤΟ ΠΑΡΑΜΙΚΡΟ ως προσωπικο σχολιασμο η διευκρινηση η κατι τελος παντων, παρα μονον στειρα αντιγραφη, δωσε μας τα λινκ και τα βλεπουμε μονοι μας οσοι γουσταρουμε, καταλαβες;

Εμενα μ'αρεσει να μπαινω στο φορουμ και να βλεπω τις πλεον προσφατες 10 σελιδες. Ετσι πως πηγαινε ,ηθελε 50 και παλι αμφιβαλλω οτι θα τελεωνε, δοκιμια Judd Pollock τωρα, που εχω την Encyclopedia of US coins by Walter Green, the DEFINITIVE BOOK ON US COINS, coffee table size book, κι αν θελω ανατρεχω. Δεν θελω. Και στο ετησιο Red Book υπαρχουν τα βασικα δοκιμια.

Εαν δεν γινεται σχολιασμος με προσωπικα στοιχεια, προτιμμε το λινκ κι ελευθερωστε το δεκασελιδο απο κατω, αυτο λεω ολο κι ολο, αλλιως, να σας πεθανω κι εγω στα περιεχομενα καποιου λινκ, τι κανουμε τωρα; Και μαλιστα σε Αμερικανικα δοκιμια, λες και θα παρει κανεις καμια χρυση $4 Stella.....

Το δε αστειο ηταν οτι ειχε παρει τοση φορα και ρυθμο, που εκανε 3 ποστ να δει τη διαμαρτυρια.... 8)
Τίτλος: Απ: Αμερικάνικα Δοκίμια
Αποστολή από: helios στις Ιανουάριος 07, 2016, 10:27:22 μμ
Εγώ να δείς όγκο σελίδων που "σκάβω" για να βρώ κάτι να διαβάσω ...
Δέν νομίζω παρόλλα αυτά πως θα ήταν δίκαιο και συνετό το ... να απαιτώ να σταματήσουν τα ποσταρίσματα όλων σας που αφορούν τα κέρματα!
Άσε που, πολλές φορες, ο προσωπικός σχολιασμός και η άποψη (που διακρίνεις πως λείπει απο τα ποσταρίσματα αυτά του Σίμου) δέν ειναι και απαραίτητο πως προσθέτουν κάτι επι της ουσίας στα θέματα και πως τα κάνουν καλύτερα, ειδικά δε όταν ο προσωπικός σχολιασμός και η άποψη περιορίζονται σε καθαρά καφενειακό σχολιασμό, chat, και υποκειμενικές απόψεις περί ανέμων και υδάτων. Τα διαβάζουμε καθημερινά παντού όλα αυτα και, δυστυχώς, έχουμε μπουχτίσει απο δαύτα.
Προσωπικά, θέματα ακόμα και καθαρά τεχνικά, και μπορεί και μερικές φορές "ξερά" και "βαρετά" αν θές, δέν αντιλέγω, αλλα με θεωρητικό και τεχνικό υπόβαθρο, τα βρίσκω πολύ περισσότερο ενδιαφέροντα, μου τραβούν την προσοχή και θεωρώ πως προσφέρουν, ακόμα και αν αυτά ανήκουν σε κατηγορίες που δεν αφορούν τα άμεσα ενδιαφέροντα μου.
Η γνώση, όσοι την αναζητούν, συχνά θα σου πούν πως κρύβεται στα "ξερά" και "βαρετά" αυτά θέματα. Τα "ευχάριστα", "ελαφρά" και "χαροπά" θέματα συνήθως αντανακλούν τις προσωπικές απόψεις του γράφοντος και τον συμμετεχόντων, και σε αυτά κάποιος θα βρεί συνήθως υποκειμενικά -και μόνο- πράγματα, απόψεις, και μπόλικο "χαβαλέ", δλδ λίγα πραγματικά επι της ουσίας πράγματα.
Τίτλος: Απ: Αμερικάνικα Δοκίμια
Αποστολή από: digo στις Ιανουάριος 08, 2016, 12:18:22 πμ
Νικο μου, σε τελικη εχεις δικιο. Παρασυρθηκα και μιλησα απρεπως στον Σιμο, που τελικα εφτιαξε ενα πραγματι ενδιαφερον αν και ιδιαιτερα εξειδικευμενο θεμα στα πολλα και ενδιαφεροντα δοκιμια, στα οποια η εγκυκλοπαιδεια του Γκρην, προσθετει και "πιπερατα", του τυπου γιατι δεν μπηκε αυτο και μπηκε τουτο. Γιατι εχουμε St Gaudens $20 n1908 NO MOTTO και μετα ειναι ολα with motto (IN GOD WE TRUST). Η πληροφοριες για την παρτιδα Wells Fargo αυτης της ημερομηνιας, που εβη=γαλε και μια δεκαδα........ PCGS MS69, 1908 NO MOTTO $20, το απολυτο δηλαδη, τετοιους βαθμους δεν παιρνουν ουτε τα αναμνηστικα τα δικα μας δεκατιων 1980 και 1990 πλην καποιων που δεν ανοιχτηκαν ποτε και σταλθηκαν με την καπσουλα τους (χρυση δρχ, καποια ακριβα ΟΧΙ κλπ). Ακου MS69...

Αλλ για ναφτανε στα χρυσα $20 ηθελε αλλες 35 σελιδες. Επισης, αν μας δωσει λιγο χρονο για σχολιασμο, θα βρω εγω τα "πιπερατα" σχολια του Γουωλτερ Γκρην καθως και τις ιστοριες του Q.D. Bowers του οποιου επιση εχω δυο βιβλια, με ιστοριες μονον σε Αμερικανικα νομισματα, ανεκδοτες, ευχαριστες κλπ.

Εν κατακλειδι,ζητω συγνωμη, αλλα σε παρακαλω Σιμο μου, μην το συνεχισεις αν θες. Βαλε μια ταξη, κατα προτραιοτητα, ποια ειναι τα 10 σπουδαιοτερα δοκιμια πχ, κι απο κει κι υστερα, εκαστος μπορει να σχολιασει η και να προσθεσει σχολια απο τις δικες του πηγες.
Τίτλος: Απ: Αμερικάνικα Δοκίμια
Αποστολή από: Σίμος στις Ιανουάριος 08, 2016, 12:20:08 πμ
Δέν χαλάω χατήρια είπαμε. Δέν υπάρχει πρόβλημα .  :)